404 alternator-no output?

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    • #31087
      Lindy57
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        Been awhile since i needed help,but not sure if the alternator is the problem.

        Gen light started coming on at low rpm's,but goes away over 1000.

        Today wouldn't crank and batt was down to 11.6v.

        Put in new batt and check v while running, it was just batt V~12.6. Then checked at alt,large red (left side wire) it was still only batt voltage. checked other 3 alt wires and only #4(far right) wire had like .8 v showing.

        Is this the alt,or could something else be blown/bad?

        The large red wire i assume goes to batt,what are the other 3 wires to?

        If this is a self contained regulator shouldn't another wire have 12v s for the alt field charge?

        Or is their an external regulator somewhere?

        Still need to get the number off it,but it is the 4 wire stock 404 alt.

        Thanks for any help

        Lindy

      • #38157
        yocsr
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            The lead from the alt. to battery has a quick connect. I have lost partial connection there a couple of times and battery runs low. The only way I can get it back is to take it apart and spray with crc electronics cleaner. You'd think disconnecting and reconnecting a couple of times would work but it won't. I thought originally my alt was going bad but when I checked the out put with ohm meter it was 13.5 volts.

        • #38162
          Lindy57
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            Okay i'll look for a plug. The lines on mine all seem to go under the dash cover,it looks like it unscrews for access.

            Maybe that is why i don't get a 12v reading from one of the other 3 wires,which would excite the alt field,so it can make 14v.

            Found alt # it is a JF11A on a C490BT engine. May need to locate one if connector isn't it.

            Thanks.

          • #45382
            Lindy57
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              Okay,cleaned all connections,including those to/at fuse panel, still no output from alt.
              Checked again and still have L-R
              red wire 12.7 bat voltage at all times, assume this is charging wire to batt
              grey/white wire 0 volts off/on/or running
              black wire 0 volts, assume ground wire
              Brown wire .14v off,.33v on,.43v running assume a signal wire

              The Foton opns/maint book electrical diagram is absolutely terrible but i think it shows
              Red- batt
              Grey/white has an F by it,Field wire is my guess,shows going to regulator?where?
              Black =grnd
              Brown also shows going to a regulator, but I do not see an external regulator box anywhere.

              So if G/W is the field wire, it would need 12v to activate alt,is there a fuse for it? or where does it connect to get 12v to alt?
              I’m tempted to run a fused 12v hot wire to the G/W alt terminal from batt, to see if that excites the field? If that works I could tap a new wire to the run wire off ign.

              I tested ignition switch and a Blk/Wht wire is always hot, in acc one red wire is hot,in run 2 red wires are hot with 2 more wire left i assume one is hot in start,not sure on other. Is one of these to field or does it come from another location to Grey/Wht wire?

            • #45418
              Lindy57
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                Tracked G/W wire for alt back to fuse box,which changes color several times from power source. It comes from the aluminum relay type box on top right,that apparently is the voltage regulator. Had power to box,but none out.

                So, jumped 12v to G/W at alt with in line breaker. Cranked up tractor and checked voltage at alt, which was now 13.8 at idle. Increased throttle and voltage went to 14.9,so i’d say alt is fine and issue is voltage regulator.

                Now,where can I get one? It has Chinese symbols on it and no other markings. Don’t think a normal relay will limit voltage.

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                • #45495
                  Tinbender
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                    I need to check mine, it hasn’t charged in quite some time. Not a big deal to throw a charger on it every 4 months or so but last year when we had 2-3 feet of snow overnight it was dead and of course 300 feet from the nearest outlet. I should probably make sure that doesn’t happen again :^)

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                  • #45496
                    DavidPrivett
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                      I think the guys at affordable tractor 1 979 865 4002 have a pretty good supply of foton parts.

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                      • #45593
                        Lindy57
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                          Checked Affordable and they didn’t have one. So I ordered a voltage regulator from Discount tractor in TX, it was not the same box size,way smaller in fact,but the contact prongs measured the same. Cost $43 shipped, put it in and everything works fine now. You can’t go on any numbers,so you pretty much have to measure and compare the parts.

                          Thanks

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