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    • #30419
      Roger
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        embarassed Hello

         Its me again with another question that seem stupid but here it goes. I replaced the injection pump on the tractor and I am trying to reset the timing using the info I got off of here. I have taken most of the front of the engine stuff off so I can see the timing marks but I can't seem to find them. I removed the radiator, the fan blade, the water pump, moved the altenator out of the way and I can't find any marks. Please help me!!!deadhorse

      • #33376
        Bob Rooks
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          Hi Roger,

          You didn't have to remove the coolant pump but you'll have to go deeper than that.

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        • #33377
          Roger
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            Hi Bob

             Thanks for the info I will do that. Does the nut for the Pulley on the bottom just turn off with a socket? Once I get the pulley off can I get the cover off without seperating the battery box and front axle? THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!

          • #33378
            cjimmybond
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              looks like to me on fuel pump its 4 teeth up from orange pointer, going clock wise.

              i cant see the pulley being all way the round like yours. its normally set to half way then on most stuff its dial guaged or spilled which moves it a little away from centre but never that much.

              is there any diff colour teeth or dots on pulleys.

              i get this with perkins on the 4236 engine, they just use permanent marker.

              yet the later 4236 with screwed in injectors and some have dots or lines.

              did you only remove fuel pump, as i can tell you a way to do it by ear.

            • #33443
              cjimmybond
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                as for the roflmao i dont see whats so funny.

                i have to time alot of lorries by ear as you can not get a dial gauge in as the compressor is in the way.

                i guess your new to this game then.

              • #33444
                Bob Rooks
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                  cjimmybond wrote:

                  “as for the roflmao i dont see whats so funny.”

                  My apologies, I did not mean to offend. It was meant as a funny, meaning “I'm listening”. And I have never heard of timing a diesel engine “by ear”, so it would be a new experience for me. Yes, I'm fairly “new to the game” by some standards, but I don't see any qualifications in your profile either. Please provide. I do like that you appear to be a Brit – makes me feel not so alone…

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                • #35054
                  Roger
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                    deadhorseI'm back with some more ouestions on timing my 354. I am not a mechanic by any means and I am learning as I go so please be paitent with me and I will try to be as specific with the terminology and my questions as I can. First let me start by saying that I have had the complete motor overhauled and the injection pump is new. When the motor was reassembled the gears on the front of the motor were all put together with the marks matching.  So here goes with the questions. How do I know when the motor is at top dead center? How do I get it to top dead center? When the motor is at top dead center does that mean that the timing is at 0 degrees? How do I know what the timing degrees are since I can't find no marks? Are the degrees determined by the gear teeth? (Does one tooth on the gear equal 1 degree or what) How do I know when I get to my recommended setting when I can find no marks to go by? I know that there are slots on the injection pump that you can loosen and adjust the timing but I understand that will only adjust to about 3 or 4 degrees each way. In the picture that I have in this post the gear on the injection pump has slots in it and the gear I have on mine does not. Is that because the pump itself has slots on it? I have the copy of the spill timing method that has been posted on here but its not answering my questions that I can tell. Okay I'll stop for now and wait for some help. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE!! hailking

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