3pt. lift arms jinma 354

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    • #30239
      peterhart
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        my lift arms on my jinma 354 have slowly stopped working. usually as the tractor warms up they will start to work, but now they only slightly lift when I lower fel. whats up with this? need some help! fluid level was low but I filled it, and it was not low enough to affect the pump. Fel works fine.

      • #31839
        SpringValley
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          While setting on the tractor there is a knob right down in front of the seat on the front of the 3 point lift box.  That knob diverts oil from the 3 point to the remotes.  Is the knob open part way or screwed all the way in?  

        • #31843
          lenbo
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            Thanks for the tip on the knob, don't have any problem with my 3 point or FEL, but could not figure out what the knob was for.

             

            Len

          • #31849
            peterhart
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              Yes I had already opened that vale but it did not seem to improve the situation. Having said that, yesterday I ran the tractor while I attended some chores. 20 minutes later by raising the fel then lowering it I was able to raise the arms almost all the way. But it took two or three lowering cycles. This is about how it performed threw the winter. any ideas?

            • #31851
              Tinbender
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                What year is it? In 2007 there was a problem with the hydraulic filter head having a plastic check valve that would break and plug things up.readin.

              • #31852
                SpringValley
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                  I agree with Tinbender.  I sounds like the dreaded hyd filter problem. 

                  For the other poster the knob has really 3 functions.  All the way closed and oil is sent to the remotes when the handle is pulled up.  Then when you start to open it oil is sent the the 3 point lift.  The further you open it the faster the 3 point will “fall” when you push the handle forward.  There is a set screw in it so you can lock it when you get it set where you want it.    

                • #31855
                  Bert
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                    In this picture #63 is the knob and #64 is the set screw.Lift Assembly JM 454

                  • #31856
                    PrairieDog
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                      Peter, some other possibilities:

                      What hydraulic oil are you using?  If you are in cold weather, AW32 seems to work best.  If you have a higher viscosity oil it may result in your problem.  If you are using some other “universal” fluid then you should change it out.

                      Have you changed your hydraulic filter recently?  A dirty, or too-fine a filtration will result in excessive pressure drop to the pump inlet, and the pump won't pump enough.  As I recall, 50 micron is the recommended OEM filter rating.

                       

                      It would be helpful if you updated your profile so that we knew where you lived.

                      Prairie Dog aka Mike

                    • #31868
                      flinthills
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                        I too have a 2007 354 with y-485 and are battling the slop 3 point arms.  Where is the plastic check valve located and wahts the fix? 

                      • #31869
                        flinthills
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                          I meant slow three point “not slop”

                        • #31871
                          Tinbender
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                            It is in the hydraulic filter housing (what your filter screws into). You can purchase a new one from the dealers listed on the top of this page or get one from NAPA. The factory ones should be safe as this problem only involved a short run in 2007. I'd either get one from a dealer and get a few filters while I'm at it or get an aftermarket from NAPA with a filter, then you can get your replacements from them.

                          • #31872
                            biggerten
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                              Actually, the check valve issue was in 2006, I remember because I had to replace mine at the time. Go to the old forums and do a search for the thread “Broken Plastic check valves in the Hydraulic filter” in August of 2006 – there is a ton, pages and pages, with pictures and part numbers, of info. Northern Tool and TSC (and many other places, I'm sure) have direct bolt on replacements, and not that expensive.
                            • #31873
                              biggerten
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                                A couple more things. There is (or was in my 2006 '354) a screen filter on the suction line just inside the tank. Make sure it's not plugged or collapsed – it's pretty chintzy. Also, make sure you don't use the 10 micron filter, I think the correct one is 140 micron (something like that, anyhow). And draining my sump was a messy job, there's no drain plug, I removed the banjo bolt on the suction line and let the stuff pour out.

                              • #31943
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                                  354, 3pth, I use ATF for the hyd. better than original fluid. Arms lift slow in cold weather on startup no matter what fluid. To get arms up quickly just raise your loader bucket, put 3pth hitch in lift position then lower your bucket, 3pth will come right up. Time you get to work with it the fluid generally is warmed up & works fine

                                  ablejones

                                • #31945
                                  Bob Rooks
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                                    ablejones wrote: 

                                    I use ATF for the hyd. better than original fluid.

                                    FWIW, not a good idea. ATF (any type) is formulated with friction modifiers to work with friction discs and brake bands – not desirable in power hydraulic systems. Plus, it's more expensive that AW HYDRAULIC OIL.

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                                  • #31946
                                    SpringValley
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                                      Bob Rooks wrote: “FWIW, not a good idea. ATF (any type) is formulated with friction
                                      modifiers to work with friction discs and brake bands – not desirable in
                                      power hydraulic systems. Plus, it's more expensive that AW HYDRAULIC
                                      OIL.”

                                      And I agree. ATF is the wrong stuff for the job.  Some types of ATF are much higher detergent than AW hyd oil. ATF +4 (any brand) is a full synthetic that just might find it's way out through those Chinese seals.  

                                    • #32382
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                                        filter adapter housing ok as well as plastic by pass valve. place new napa 1453 hydro filter. still no action at 3pth. thinking of closing valve at front of seat to send fluid to aug. hydro connection then place pressure gauge here to see if there is hydro pressure getting to the back of the tractor. will also isolate  the fel circuit as ranch hand suggested today. any thoughts out there on this idea. this may help eliminate the diverter  as a suspect.

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