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August 9, 2011 at 3:04 am #30374
Drilling through the caliche for the posts. Glad it's not my machine, that stuff is really HARD!
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August 9, 2011 at 9:49 am #32884
It's hard to believe he can actually drill that with a post hole digger. Well, when the post and concrete are there it's there for a long time without shifting for sure.
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August 9, 2011 at 10:27 am #32886
When I had my sign company in Phoenix I had a guy who drilled my post holes for me on my sign installations. He had an auger mounted on a jeep that he could get into even the more difficult places and he never failed me, even in the miserable caliche they have in that area. I tried to dig just one hole myself and after three hours in the Phoenix summer sun with a digging bar I had gotten down maybe ten inches – made paying Jeff $20/hole seem like a screamin' good deal! The caliche there was about like trying to dig through rawhide. I figured the only reason it didn't have any rocks was because it was just one big one that filled the whole damn valley.
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August 9, 2011 at 7:17 pm #32897
Up she goes
It has a caliche floor. If it wasn't so dusty I'd just leave it be.
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August 9, 2011 at 9:21 pm #32900
If a post hole digger can go through such a hard caliche, can a 2 inch auger drill through a stump? Last year, after a bad storm, I had whole lot trees cut down (with a really cool feller buncher). In fact I’m still moving the mulch around with my tractor. I have a small stump grinder, but it takes forever to grind the larger stumps. I was thinking about making a drill using an old wash machine gearbox and an engine from a weed wacker. If I use a 1 inch auger I could drill holes in the stumps to make the grinding easier or use the holes to pour in a “stump killer.” However, if I could use a post hole digger, it would be a lot easier, plus it would be a good excuse to buy a post hole digger (the wife already ruled out a feller buncher!).
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August 9, 2011 at 10:48 pm #32901
Just because a PHD comes standard with 6″ and up bits doesn't rule out using smaller ones, Len. I see no reason at all why you couldn't whip up an adapter that would couple a standard 2″ wood auger to the output of a PHD. I guarantee that even a 20hp tractor will have enough horsepower to bore holes in stumps that way.
I would certainly suggest that you couple the auger to the PHD using some sort of slip clutch or other torque limiting arrangement or you will wring the shaft of the auger like a washrag if you hit a hard spot. Well, if you can find an auger with a 1″ shaft and core you might not damage it, but a standard one is more like 3/8-1/2″ which is a bit puny for a PTO drive.
Personally, I prefer ANFO for stump removal. Much quicker!
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August 9, 2011 at 11:55 pm #32904
The 9″ auger that came with my Lienbach 7300 looks a lot like a spade bit on the end. I was boring holes to extend the garden fence the first time I used it. About the third hole a bunch of fresh looking lumber comes flying out of the ground. WTF, did they bury the waste when the house was built? Nope, it just cut through a 6-8″ juniper tree root like butter, at 800 rpm.
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August 10, 2011 at 8:58 am #32906
That's big progress Bob Looking pretty sturdy.
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August 10, 2011 at 11:27 am #32907
Rich wrote:
Personally, I prefer ANFO for stump removal. Much quicker!
Is that something like Cordite?
Grizz wrote:
That's big progress Bob Looking pretty sturdy.
Thanks. Should be done day after tomorrow, sans concrete.
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August 10, 2011 at 1:23 pm #32909
ANFO – Ammonium Nitrate & Fuel Oil Much less brissance than cordite , PETN,TNT dynamite or even black powder. Just a big, slow push that heaves them up out of the ground, ripping the roots loose in the process. Also the material of choice for most quarry operations as it will bring down a hanging wall without advertising to everyone in the three nearest counties that there's somebody to blame for their leaking cistern or cracked foundation.
When you put in your order for the fertilizer, tell 'em Timothy McVeigh sent you and ask for the special bonus – (three hots and a cot courtesy of Uncle Sugar.)
So, is the garage done yet????
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August 10, 2011 at 8:04 pm #32910
Thanks for the advise guys. I'll pass on the ANFO, my neighbors already think I make too much noise, of course that is until they want to borrow the tractor.
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August 10, 2011 at 11:51 pm #32913
The ANFO is the blasting medium of choice around here. Want to build a house or garage? Build a street or road? Drill and blast When we were kids in Oakland we would fill balloons with 3 Acetylene balloons to ten oxygen and tie them to a tree or phone pole, with masking tape as a fuse. Talk about a wide flash parallel to the ground with a concussive blast . Back then we were trouble making kids, today we would be locked up with the key thrown away, for having fun.
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August 11, 2011 at 12:32 am #32914
Roof & door…
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August 11, 2011 at 9:28 am #32917
Looking Good
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August 11, 2011 at 9:31 am #32918
Geez Bob. Slow down! Now I can't let the wife look over my shoulder on THIS website either! She sees this kind of progress I will never get any rest!
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August 11, 2011 at 11:38 am #32919
That looks exactly how my friend built his garage. He has two garage doors and this year he added a carport on the left side end of the garage where he parks his Jinma 354. Bob, will you have a one or two doors on your garage?
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August 11, 2011 at 11:58 am #32920
Bert wrote:
“Bob, will you have a one or two doors on your garage?”
Yep, two 10' x 10' and a 3'. More pics tonight.
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August 11, 2011 at 5:45 pm #32933
Done, except for the concrete, big doors, and gutters.
And electrical…
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August 12, 2011 at 9:18 am #32943
You're hired. When can you start mine?
Seriously that really looks like a quality job done in the shortest amount of time I've ever seen by someone with a day job!
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August 12, 2011 at 10:13 am #32946
Pole buildings go up real fast because there is no footings or slab to pour first.
You can purchase plans and kits over the net.
Just so you know, I didn't do it all by myself. Had help from four younger guys. Much younger.
There was also considerable dirt work in the site prep because it's benched into a hillside.
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August 12, 2011 at 10:15 am #32947
Most guys are younger than us, Bob.
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August 12, 2011 at 9:47 pm #32954
Yeah, anymore…
But remember:
Old age and cunning will always triumph over youth and skill.
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August 18, 2011 at 12:01 am #33011
Concrete poured yesterday. Beautiful job – after the trucks air compressor started working again.
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August 18, 2011 at 3:59 pm #33013
Kind of curious Bob if the “old age and cunning” got you a discount on the pour after you helped them fix the truck
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August 18, 2011 at 10:45 pm #33020
All of the concrete work was included in the price of the building so I won't really know until next week, but I kinda think not. I'm just glad it wasn't more serious. The time it would take a mechanic up there with a new air compressor, you would have nine yards of set-up concrete in the drum.
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August 19, 2011 at 6:11 pm #33034
“Old age and something will alaways triumph over youth and skill”
Recon you can get some young babes to hang out in the new shop
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August 20, 2011 at 5:31 am #33039
Larry wrote:
“Recon you can get some young babes to hang out in the new shop.”
Well, I guess there are some limitations that come with old age.
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September 27, 2011 at 11:39 pm #33277
Coming along …
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September 28, 2011 at 8:39 am #33278
I see you've got a couple of nice halogen light stands but you chose to use a step ladder with clamp-on incandescents… weather hasn't turned cool enough yet for those halogens?
Looks like it's really coming along nicely. Well lit! How thick are those R-Tech foam panels?
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September 28, 2011 at 10:42 pm #33286
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“I see you've got a couple of nice halogen light stands but you chose to use a step ladder with clamp-on incandescents… weather hasn't turned cool enough yet for those halogens? “
Ha ha ha. Those are 28 watt CFL's in the clamp-on's, and the red light stand is a 65 watt fluorescent. The yellow halogen is only 300 watts, combined – didn't do squat if it was completely dark. The 16' light strips on the trusses are T8, 38 Watt (each), Triphosphor (High Output and Efficiency) fluorescent tubes. It is better than daylight in there, just haven't put the other lights away yet.
The R-tech styro (film on both sides) is 2-1/2″ thick. Comes in 4 x 8 sheets, and had to cut to fit between the 2 x 6 girts. I believe it is R-13.
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September 28, 2011 at 10:52 pm #33287
bob im am curious as to what made u pick that style garage. i am trying to pick between a steal building30x40x15(think it was 15 high might be off on that)
and ur style.
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September 28, 2011 at 11:16 pm #33290
It's a steel walled & roofed post building. 24' x 30' with 10' x 10' doors and 12' free span inside..
It was relatively inexpensive – $15k for everything. Contractor had it up in 3-1/2 days, totally completed including concrete and doors in 5 days. If it were me, I'd still be working on the purlins…
I was pretty much constrained by the amount of useable land – it's literally benched into a hillside. The style is conventional, with a 4-12 roof, eaves on the front, none on back, no windows in the walls.
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October 23, 2011 at 12:03 pm #33524
Update:
First coat of sealer goes on.
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October 23, 2011 at 12:37 pm #33525
Looking good Bob. I was going to put up a 60×40 about seven years ago but didn't pull the trigger. Wished I had, it'll be a lot more expensive now.
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October 23, 2011 at 1:08 pm #33526
Thanks.
Funny how that works, unfortunately things seldom go down in price.
FWIW: A 18″ hi-knap paint roller fully loaded with Kilz Premium weighs in at around 10 lbs. Jeez!
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October 23, 2011 at 1:36 pm #33527
Lookin' pretty slick! Almost a shame to park a dirty dozer on it!
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October 23, 2011 at 2:41 pm #33528
Bob, what did you use for insulation on the ceiling? My shop is like trying to heat a cave
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October 26, 2011 at 4:02 am #33543
Harbor Freight scaffolds were on sale. Much, much sturdier and heavier than I thought they would be. Great value IMHO.
“Bob, what did you use for insulation on the ceiling? My shop is like trying to heat a cave”
It's a very thick foam backed heavy vinyl that came in 5' widths and was pulled tight over the roof beams. The steel roof went directly over it. Not sure if could be installed after the fact though, but so far it seems to work pretty good. I had a 70,000 btu space heater going and it heated the place in about 10 minutes and stayed heated for about 6 hours.
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October 26, 2011 at 12:23 pm #33546
Too bad you can't haul that garage down here to test it, it was 14 degrees last night!
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October 26, 2011 at 12:44 pm #33547
I have a pellet stove in my shop. It's not too bad until it gets down around zero. It's 14 feet from the floor to the bottom of the rafter. That makes it about 20 feet up to the peak. It's just a large area to heat. I wanted it high enough to pull my RV in but I pay for it in other ways such as hard to heat.
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October 26, 2011 at 4:42 pm #33551
14 degrees?? No thanks, that sounds cold.
My roof ridge is about 15' on the inside so I will be installing a ceiling fan in the center bay. That will boost the efficiency of my heating system by getting all that warm air down where it belongs.
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October 26, 2011 at 10:39 pm #33552
At least I'm not in Denver. The record was 13, missed it by 1. At least it's supposed to warm back up. About seven years ago it was 5 on Halloween, that was rough.
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October 27, 2011 at 9:04 am #33553
That's why I live down here. I think our record low was 64° a few years back – i remember it was really cold.
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October 27, 2011 at 12:39 pm #33554
We should hit 64 any day….. next June
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October 27, 2011 at 5:44 pm #33556
My wife's brother and his family live in Denver. Funny thing is it was 80 degrees there just a few days ago. I can put up with old far better than humid weather. I have been places where 80 feels like 110. You feel like you are going to drop in your tracks. And cold damp weather is not high on my rating scale. I guess I am just a pain in the ass when it comes to weather
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October 28, 2011 at 1:03 pm #33557
Larry is wise in the ways of weather.
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December 7, 2011 at 5:16 pm #33865
Update on shop. Getting closer. It was in focus, hmm…
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December 8, 2011 at 12:43 pm #33872
Nice shop Bob. Makes me envious.. My shop is 45 x 36 feet with 13 foot ceilings. Door is 12 x 12. I have many repairs to make on mine next summer. My primary heat is wood/coal with secondary 125,000 btu gas. Try not to run the gas as it burns a hole in my pocket. I have to wonder about the people that built mine? They put blown insulation in the walls and only insulation panels on the ceiling. That is one of my projects, putting 6 inch fiberglass bats in the ceiling. I like the scaffolding you got from Harbor Freight. Will have to look at procuring some.
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December 8, 2011 at 1:02 pm #33873
Thanks.
That HF scaffolding is actually two units combined. They only come with one horizontal section each, but they were on special so I bought two. Wish they had an optional side railing.
My heat right now is just a kerosene fired salamander which works pretty good but it's noisy and I can't hear my rock 'n roll. Main heat will be a pellet stove – eventually.
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January 5, 2012 at 1:36 pm #33989
Coming along. Work bench and sub-panel.
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January 5, 2012 at 2:45 pm #33990
You probably know this, but I'll comment anyhow.
Regarding the sub-panel, are you leaving the nuetral and ground unbonded, tying them together only back at the main panel?
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January 5, 2012 at 6:19 pm #33992
Regarding the sub-panel, are you leaving the nuetral and ground unbonded, tying them together only back at the main panel?
Nope. Neutral and ground are bonded at the sub-panel also, along with a 8' local ground rod. Running 1 gauge aluminum triplex from a 80 amp duplex breaker in the main panel (has yet to be done). Currently running everything on a 12 gauge extension cord.
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January 6, 2012 at 10:10 am #33994
Is that legal up there in WA? Around here it's a big no-no. Maybe the grounding rod gives you some protection but I still think you could end up with size-able currents running in the ground lead.
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January 6, 2012 at 12:32 pm #33995
I'll double check code today. Also, have three ground rods not one, one for the 12 kW generator.
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January 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm #33997
I'm pretty sure it's an NEC code, but I'm not an electrician (nor do I play one on TV). I just know I had to do that when I built my garage a few years back. I ran tri-plex and a separate ground back to the main panel.
I just wanted to bring the subject up, hence my only asking about it. I hesitate to dis-agree with Bob, I have too much respect for him.
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January 6, 2012 at 12:57 pm #33999
Hmmm…our code here requires that a sub panel any distance form the main panel, like in a separate building, have it's own ground rod and that the neutral be bonded at the sub panel. The inspector told me this was to prevent having a floating neutral if the main panel bond failed. Makes sense to me, but I'm not an electrician.
I do know that in my shop the sub panel is bonded and I have three ground rods, like Bob, one at the main service entrance, one at the sub-panel and one for the genset. I purely hate getting zapped by transients.
I'd be interested to know the actual NEC code language. I may try to look it up if it is available online (for free).
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January 6, 2012 at 1:50 pm #34000
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January 6, 2012 at 2:22 pm #34001
Thanks for the link Tom
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January 7, 2012 at 5:04 pm #34012
Thanks for that Grizz & Tom, I'm not bullet proof ya know.
I was originally going to have a seperate service drop with a meter head and transfer switch but that has changed and I'm still looking into it. Seems there are some conflicts/confusion within NEC 2011 and Puget Sound Energy. I'll probably end up using quad-plex back to the main panel. Good thing I han't bought the wire yet. The Department of Labor & Industries does the inspections up here.
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January 12, 2012 at 10:46 am #34044
Wow, I hope we never sound like that here . It only took two or three pages for that poor guy to get a strait answer. I'm going to pick a friends brain as to what is code, here and now, and if the county follows national codes or are there variances from state to state, county to county, etc. He has been in the business for over 30 years, his dad's contractor licensee has only Three digits!
I'll then ask a customers kid who just made journeyman a year ago, and has his own business now, and should be up to speed with what's new. It should be interesting to see if they're on the same page.
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January 12, 2012 at 12:06 pm #34045
I felt like making popcorn. Wow!
Kinda reminiscent of Tommy and I awhile back.
I haven't purchased any wire or conduit yet, but getting close.
There technically is no such thing as a “sub panel”, as that name does not exist in the 2011 NEC. What I have is an “Equipment Service Disconnect”.
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January 13, 2012 at 10:11 am #34055
I'll be posting some pics on another thread soon. My wife's car was rear ended, and totaled, and we bought it back. I repaired the deck lid. Now does everyone here know that means 'trunk”? I think if you asked any non-electrician what a sub panel was, most would know what you're talking about. An Equipment service disconnect? Not so much.
I have discussed with my electrician friend putting in a service for the greenhouse and a hot tub, but the main panel is full. He suggested installing a “break-out box' on the outside wall opposite the main. Why do I get the feeling the fella on the electricians blog would have a problem with that description?
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January 13, 2012 at 12:16 pm #34057
Geez! Hope the wife is okay.
Okay, I said “technically” because NEC 2011 doesn't list it as such. However, the term does exist in the practical world so I'll refer to it as a lay term. So far I have not run into anyone that didn't know what I was talking about, professionals included.
Well, the shop is beginning to fill up. A few more shelves, another gantry crane, and then comes the dozer.
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January 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm #34058
Wow!(I wish they had one of those green with envy smiley faces to paste) I'll be over in a little while to start my subframe . How will we start without an Equipment Service Disconnect?
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