Foton 704 electrical / alternator / voltag regulator problem

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    • #30950
      GNXGuy
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        2007 Foton 704 with 120hrs. Original Alternator that came with the tractor puts out enough voltage about 12.2v or so to keep the tractor running but not enough to charge the battery.  If I run tractor and turn on the exterior lights they are super dim. Running the tractor with light on and heater, once battery is drained, tractor shuts off.

        Should I try the voltage regulator or alternator 1st.  BTW, I could not located a separate voltage regulator on this tractor, could it be behind the plastic cover on the back of the alternator?

        Thanks so much.

         

        Joe

      • #37255
        Bob Rooks
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          Bear in mind that it takes no electricity for a diesel engine to run once it has been started. There is no ignition system.

          The Alternator should be putting out between 13.5 and 14.5 volts and up to 15 volts when charging a depleted battery.

          Without seeing your alternator I could only speculate that your description of the voltage regulator is correct, but being an '07 model it probably is an integrated system.

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        • #37259
          GNXGuy
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            Thank you Bob,

             

            When running and measured at the battery, I see 12.2v.

            I'll take a photo of the alternator and post here a bit later.

            If its integrated, do I need to purchase a new alternator?

             

            Thanks again

             

            Joe

          • #37260
            Bob Rooks
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              First I would try to figure out what the output of the OEM alternator is. If it's a meager 14 0r 15 amps, which most are, I would consider upgrading instead. The OEM alternators could barely keep up with the lighting draw let alone put back into the battery that was taken out for starting. Either Ronald at Ranch Hand Supply or Tommy at Affordable Tractor has the upgraded alternator. Don't remember which or if both do.

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            • #37261
              Bob Rooks
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                You also might want to double check all of your electrical and battery cable connections, especially the ground cable, to make sure they are clean and tight.

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              • #37262
                GNXGuy
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                  Yup, checked and cleaned all connections.

                  Was that a typo  14 or 15 amps on the original Alternator?

                   

                  Joe

                • #37263
                  Bob Rooks
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                    Nope. It may be a couple of amps either way though. Check your manual to be sure. It'll be rated in watts.

                    The current I in amps (A) is equal to the power P in watts (W), divided by the voltage V in volts (V):

                    I(A) = P(W) / V(V)

                    So amps are equal to watts divided by volts.

                    amp = watt / volt

                     

                    The OEM alternator would do just fine if you operated the tractor continuously for at least eight hours without using the lights.

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                  • #37264
                    GNXGuy
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                      Well, not sure I have faith in the accuracy of the manual but it says the Alternator is rated at 1000 Watts / 14v, which would make it about 71 amps?

                      Did I do the math correctly?

                      The parts manual that came with the tractor clearly shows an external voltage regulator located under the dash next to all the relays.  There is nothing to be found other than the relays on my 704.

                      I'll pull the alternator tomorrow and take a closer look.

                       

                      Joe 

                    • #37265
                      Affordable
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                        Send me a pic of your Alternator once you get it off , with the number if you can read it. We stock some parts for the Foton tractors with the Perkins, some do have a voltage regulator in the fuse panel

                        tommy@affordabletractorsalesco.com

                         

                        Tommy

                        Affordable Tractor Sales

                        “Your Jinma Parts Superstore”

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                      • #37268
                        Bob Rooks
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                          Yep math is correct. Nominally a 72 amp alternator. It's likely that you have an integral voltage regulator given the absence of one in the likely location. Alternators produce AC current that is converted to DC through the diode pack within the alternator housing. You could have a blown diode or have a bad voltage regulator. These are fairly inexpensive fixes if you can do the work yourself. If you have a TEFC alternator housing I strongly recommend that you stay with that style.

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                        • #37269
                          GNXGuy
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                            I sent Tommy all the photos.

                             

                            I did a final test with tractor off and battery read 12.1 V   then started tractor and it checked while running an I was at 11.8v

                             

                            Thanks guys

                             

                            Joe

                          • #37270
                            Bob Rooks
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                              Forgot that you have a ~70 HP tractor. Yes, they will have a higher output alternator than the smaller tractors.

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                            • #37273
                              mariner
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                                Is the belt driving the alternator tight – not loose enough to slip at all?

                                My experience with regulators on my Jinma has been limited. I did find that the regulator was plugged into the strip holding the fuses – yours might be similarly situated. Also if you find the regulator, check that it is properly inserted (mine is a plug in unit) – I had to put a ziptie around mind to stop it vibrating out slightly – enough to affect the voltage output. I have replaced my regulator and if memory serves, it was around $20 or so – quite cheap really.

                                Might be better to go to another larger alternator that could give you more power than you need. The Chinese ones tend to be marginal where output is concerned. I will check the one on my Jinma 554 if that would be of any use.

                              • #37274
                                GNXGuy
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                                  There is only one wire coming out of the pigtail connection, so how could there possibly be an external voltage regulator.  An external voltage regulator requires 2 or more inputs.

                                  ????

                                   

                                  Joe

                                • #37284
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                                    Hi Joe

                                     

                                     I have the YTO 704 which I believe has the same alternator JFZ 1512Y-2FE   14V 50A , mine is an integrated unit with only 1 wire, it also has 2 small wires which supply a signal to the Tachometer.

                                      I have up to 14.5 volts of output depending on battery charge, my alternator has 1000 hours on it with no issues so far.

                                     Troy

                                  • #48391
                                    GNXGuy
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                                      In case someone else has a similar issue it turned out to be the alternator idiot light in the dash and when I replaced the gauge the problem went away and the battery began charging again.

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