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June 5, 2019 at 10:03 am #48874
OK Bob, I’m having an issue with the shuttle clutch hydraulic pump blowing out front seals and filling crankcase with hydraulic fluid then the engine runs away!!! I replaced the hydraulic seals and the dozers ran 4 hours and blew the seal on the hydraulic pump, filled the crankcase with Hydraulic fluid and motor ran away again!! what you think can be the problem!! I have change hydraulic fluid in reservoir tank, changed the filter and pump is getting fluid. One thing I have noticed that whenever I engage the shuttle clutch in gear there is a noise that is generated!!! when I take out of gear it quits. I installed brand new pump so I would guess the pump is good!! WHAT DO YOU THINK COULD BE THE ISSUE HERE????
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June 5, 2019 at 1:40 pm #48876
Has this only happened since you replaced the pump? Some of the pumps have a non-adjustable by-pass valve built in. If yours does it could be stuck closed from debris behind the spring – it would be the large silver nut on the pump. There is also an adjustable pressure relief valve on the direction control valve that by-passes to the reservoir which could also be the problem with debris. Have you checked the system pressure? It should only be 60 – 70 psig maximum, 50 – 60 psig preferred. Except for this issue, does the clutch seem to operate correctly?
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July 19, 2019 at 5:30 am #48978
Hello Bob, since our last communication I have bought a brand new hydraulic pump for the shuttle clutch system and installed it to the engine!!I configured a gauge in the system to monitor pressure so I can be sure not developing too high a pressure!! Hooked up gauge and pressure stays between 50-60 PSI. Began monitoring the pressure as I ran dozer!! Pressure never went above 60PSI. After about 15 minutes I noticed may oil pressure began to drop!! Put unit on level ground to check oil level and sure enough the seal blew in the pump and was pumping oil into the crankcase!! When in gear fwd/rev the pressure reads between 50/60 psi and when in neutral pressure drops to O psi!! HELP
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July 20, 2019 at 2:50 pm #48985
I’m thinking one of two things, or a combination of both.
1) You aren’t pausing in neutral before shifting from forward to reverse, causing a pressure spike. Do you know if your accumulator is working properly? This should absorb any pressure spikes.
2) Set your relief valve pressure to 40 psig.
Trying to figure out what question you were asking about trying to identify a part. Where is pic?
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July 25, 2019 at 2:23 pm #48986
That picture you posted is the pressure relief valve that is attached to the direction control valve with U-bolts. That is where you can adjust the pressure.
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July 26, 2019 at 6:23 am #48987
Bob since I see you are looking here when you change out coolant do you fool with adding a can of water pump lubricant ? I do not see it on store shelves like you used to see.
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July 26, 2019 at 5:10 pm #48988
Bob since I see you are looking here when you change out coolant do you fool with adding a can of water pump lubricant ? I do not see it on store shelves like you used to see.
It’s like snake oil anymore. Modern coolants have lubricity formulated into them, and the seals nowadays are mechanical carbon/ceramic not the lip type that fail from microscopic debris in the system. That said, if your coolant pump has a zerk fitting or uses a packing gland, it wouldn’t hurt.
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July 26, 2019 at 5:15 pm #48989
Bob since I see you are looking here ……….
Apparently Arthur’s issues aren’t a big priority, so waiting for a response from him is like watching paint dry.
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July 26, 2019 at 7:41 pm #48990
no zerk,the reason I asked was the water pump shaft sheared between the bearings and seals then launched the fan into the radiator. I have never seen that, the tractor mech. down the road said he had never seen it either. The pump housing was clean the bearings were not frozen it was not weeping, I am scratching my head ordering new parts.
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July 27, 2019 at 12:25 am #48993
I’ve seen it before, but on trucks not tractors or earthmoving equipment. It was attributable to a slightly unbalanced fan assembly that created harmonics above an acceptable level. But I don’t think that’s your case. You could put your fan hub on a bubble balancer for a rough check though.
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July 27, 2019 at 6:42 am #48994
ok I will do that, easy enough to check I got a balancer just sitting there doing nothing.
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July 27, 2019 at 9:57 am #48996
Ok, but I’m not saying that will be very accurate. It really should be dynamically checked, spun up to operating speed. Just like we balance tires.
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July 27, 2019 at 6:04 pm #48997
yeah fan is plastic and only about 14 inch’s so I could not see any movement with the bubble. I guess if it was reallllly off it would have shown bubble movement ,the idea was good though. That pump was a 2005 so will just say it was due.
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July 28, 2019 at 11:11 am #49000
It’s funny that Ford Model A coolant pump shafts are still going strong, and they turn about the same speed. It’s not age related. Just food for thought.
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July 29, 2019 at 5:58 am #49001
you know something that pump had no weep hole, so that early sign of seal failure and bearing demise <span style=”display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; font-family: Georgia,’Times New Roman’,’Bitstream Charter’,Times,serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;”>coming </span>is not there. is this common now?
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July 29, 2019 at 12:19 pm #49002
What the hell did you do? That gave me a headache! Hahahahaha!
I don’t know if weep holes are still used in what applications, but my ’08 Powerstroke coolant pump has one, they are used on 3400 series Cat engines, and 567, 645, and 710 series EMD engines.
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July 30, 2019 at 6:05 am #49005
I do not have a clue what causes that , course I am kinda computer stupid. with that said, a new pump came in and it did not have a weep hole either, but it fit perfect so it has been installed. just waiting for the radiator to be repaired, luckily I found a guy that still can repair one. a new one with this dong feng part # 200.00.032 has been hard to find.
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July 30, 2019 at 11:05 am #49008
The old radiator repair shops are all but gone. All the new stuff is plastic and aluminum.
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