Jinma 254 filter exchange numbers for oil ,fuel,air for fram or wix..

Larry D wrote:

Looking for exchange numbers for all the filters, maybe to wix or fram. Are the factory filters really any good and worth the price???

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Wix yes, Fram no. And yes, the factory filters are good and readily available. You have to be careful when cross referencing Chinese filters because the same part number is used on different filters, and vice versa. It would be best to contact Tommy at Affordable Tractor, or take your Chinese filter into a parts store and match them up, Then you will know for sure.

Here is the list of WIX filters we recommend using.

https://www.kenotractors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Jinma-Tractor-Fluid-_-Filter-Recommendations.pdf

kenotractors wrote:

Here is the list of WIX filters we recommend using.

https://www.kenotractors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Jinma-Tractor-Fluid-_-Filter-Recommendations.pdf

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I notice that you are still recommending compressor oil for the fuel injection pump. How does it feel to be the only dealer in the world to do this? What is your justification for it? These are basically Bosch type pumps with a simple governor, and many are lubricated from the engine’s own oil pressure system. Why not correct your database to say “same oil that’s used in the engine”. That is Bosch and Woodward Governor’s recommendation. There is absolutely nothing in the injection pump assembly that resembles any type of compressor. You are making naive tractor owners purchase unneeded/unnecessary inventory.
Thank you for your indulgence.

We recommend that fluid per factory recommendation as that is what we have on hand is factory injection pumps. We do not deal in Bosch or any other company.

kenotractors wrote:

We recommend that fluid per factory recommendation as that is what we have on hand is factory injection pumps. We do not deal in Bosch or any other company.

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Ahhh, but you do, you just don’t know it. A mechanic friend pointed out when we were assembling my 284 that the injector pump was a carbon copy of the Bosch pump in his 1964 Mercedes. We looked it it and he was spot on.

Here is a Bosch three cylinder fuel injection pump/governor assembly Trevor. Please tell me how they are different. In addition to Bosch, Stanadyne makes a direct replacement also. In addition, I could not find anywhere in my TY395 engine manual where compressor oil was referenced or recommended.

Bob you peaked my curiosity on this one. I’m relatively new in the parts department here at Keno Tractors so I decided to look into this further. Anybody may use the oil they see fit, but this is what we recommend based on our experience gathered from thousands of transactions over an extensive time span. I looked up the numbers and we have sold 3,000+ Jinma tractors since we have been open, and actually we just stopped counting at 3,000. In the last year alone, we have sold 47 injection pumps of which only 5 of those were tractors purchased through Keno Tractors. All of which were recommended the ISO fluid which we use with every single brand new Jinma purchased here. Out of those 47 sold, 88% were new customers that were using an unknown oil. That tells me that the ISO must be increasing the longevity of the pumps lifespan. According to these statistics injection pumps seem to be performing significantly better on our tractors and the only thing we are doing different to the pumps themselves is just putting in the ISO fluid. I don’t understand your dislike of this fluid because all it is a high grade 30w oil that is easily attainable at any Walmart or Napa. Here at Keno Tractors we like to rely on hard statistical evidence which seems to favor our practices and save our customers money in the long run. Also, Trevor has not been in our parts department for a couple of years now.

Tyler, your in-house statistics pale by comparison to the hundreds of thousands of fuel injection pumps and governors (all manufacturers) that are pressure lubricated from the engine oiling system, and those with independent sumps that specify the same oil used in the engine. We have all been susceptible at one time or another for doing something wrong for a long time. There is nothing wrong with accepting constructive criticism.
If you will kindly show an official Jinma document prescribing compressor oil for the fuel injection pump (any engine will do), I will happily concede and digress, and consider learned something new.
Here is something you can peruse.

PS: My apologies for the wrong name.

Bob can you tell me reasoning that we should not use the ISO fluid?

not to get into the middle of this but would there be any advantage non detergent iso oil? I would not think so. Unless such a small volume in the pump and a foaming action? nah do not think so

Um, because nobody else on the planet does?

kenotractors wrote:

Bob can you tell me reasoning that we should not use the ISO fluid?

Um, because nobody else on this planet does?

kenotractors wrote:

Bob can you tell me reasoning that we should not use the ISO fluid?

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I will try, but it should be noted that any oil is better than no oil at all. One could apply the old axiom “When in Rome do as the Romans do”. My skid steer with a Yanmar diesel, My excavator with a Mitsubishi diesel, and my Ford F-350 with an International diesel, all have fuel injection pumps lubricated from the engine’s oiling system. Attached is an official Foton FT404 oil chart, which has an independent oil sump for the injection pump. I believe the compressor oil suggestion started way back when in the Chinese Tractor Forum on TBN. I know it goes back to when I joined the forum in 2007, where it was discussed at length in many threads. It was assumed by some that the fuel injection pump was similar to an air compressor in function. Nothing could be further from the truth, as liquids, for all practical purposes, are incompressible. Here is one example:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/chinese-tractors/169700-injector-oil-question.html?highlight=compressor+oil
Some compressor oils are formulated for use in rotary screw, rotary vane, and reciprocating air compressors, others for refrigeration compressors, and others for natural gas compressors. These oils use a diester or polyester base stock with various proprietary additive packages to suit the application. One of the main additives allows for rapid dispersal of moisture. They are available in ISO grades of 32, 68, 100, 150, and 220. None of them have an Anti-Wear (AW) or AGM rating.
Next is the viscosity index, empirical unitless number indicating the effect of temperature change on the kinematic viscosity of oil (liquids change viscosity with temperature, becoming less viscous when heated; the higher viscosity index number of an oil the lower its tendency to change viscosity with temperature. So as an example, a 15w/40 CF rated engine oil will have a viscosity index of around 142, whereas an ISO 100 compressor oil will have a viscosity index of around 84, hence one advantage of using a multi grade engine oil. There are many other factors to consider to consider such as shear strength, etc., but I don’t want you to suffer from my oral dysentery any longer.

Bob Rooks wrote:

kenotractors wrote:

Bob can you tell me reasoning that we should not use the ISO fluid?

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I will try, but it should be noted that any oil is better than no oil at all. One could apply the old axiom “When in Rome do as the Romans do”. My skid steer with a Yanmar diesel, My excavator with a Mitsubishi diesel, and my Ford F-350 with an International diesel, all have fuel injection pumps lubricated from the engine’s oiling system. Attached is an official Foton FT404 oil chart, which has an independent oil sump for the injection pump. I believe the compressor oil suggestion started way back when in the Chinese Tractor Forum on TBN. I know it goes back to when I joined the forum in 2007, where it was discussed at length in many threads. It was assumed by some that the fuel injection pump was similar to an air compressor in function. Nothing could be further from the truth, as liquids, for all practical purposes, are incompressible. Here is one example: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/chinese-tractors/169700-injector-oil-question.html?highlight=compressor+oil Some compressor oils are formulated for use in rotary screw, rotary vane, and reciprocating air compressors, others for refrigeration compressors, and others for natural gas compressors. These oils use a diester or polyester base stock with various proprietary additive packages to suit the application. One of the main additives allows for rapid dispersal of moisture. They are available in ISO grades of 32, 68, 100, 150, and 220. None of them have an Anti-Wear (AW) or AGM rating. Next is the viscosity index, empirical unitless number indicating the effect of temperature change on the kinematic viscosity of oil (liquids change viscosity with temperature, becoming less viscous when heated; the higher viscosity index number of an oil the lower its tendency to change viscosity with temperature. So as an example, a 15w/40 CF rated engine oil will have a viscosity index of around 142, whereas an ISO 100 compressor oil will have a viscosity index of around 84, hence one advantage of using a multi grade engine oil. There are many other factors to consider to consider such as shear strength, etc., but I don’t want you to suffer from my oral dysentery any longer.

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Bob, that is very useful information i thank you for that. From this point on we will be leaving the choice to our customers on which fluid they use but will offer both recommendations. The new Jinmas with the Perkins engines have injection pumps that pull oil straight out of the sump so this will only effect customers with older tractors.

I recall that there are also some models of Jinma tractors (not sure of the engine model) that have engine pressure oiled fuel injection pumps. I think they are the ones that have the EPA vacuum pump fitted to the alternators.

Tinbender wrote:

Um, because nobody else on this planet does?

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LOL. They are trying to tell you something.