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I guess maybe my orig. post wasn't detailed enough. From looking at the tractor up close and personal w/my son, it seems the only access to the clutch is through the inspection plate. Other than splitting the tractor there is no way else that we can find. If someone out there in tractor land knowledgable with a KAMA 354C can help I would be happy. The manual is less than useless (I find this typical). The clutch must be completely disengaged and placed in neutral, taken out of gear, bucket operated, and then the procedeure reveresed. Is there possibly a simple solution such as linkage adjustment? I would appreciate any help as the weather is starting to cooperate and the jobs are there. Thank you for any info, Chuck G.
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Chuck,
You are correct; the clutch is accessed through the inspection window to perform clutch adjustment procedures. Even if you did split the tractor you would have to adjust the clutch through the window after re-assembling the tractor.
I do not understand at all what you're getting at when you say you have to operate the hydraulics in connection with the clutch or PTO. Neither the clutch nor the PTO are connected to the hydraulics in any way (that I know of) and operating the bucket should have no effect on clutch operation or PTO operation.
If the previous owner did, in fact, replace the throwout bearing, he had to split the tractor to do so and probably failed to adjust the clutch after re-assembly. As far as I know, the Kama uses a two-stage clutch very similar to the Jinmas. The first part of the pedal travel disengages the primary (drive) clutch and the last part of the pedal travel actuates the PTO clutch. Two clutch discs and two friction plates that need to be adjusted together.
I don't own a Kama so I can't tell you the proper clearances and procedures for adjusting a Kama clutch. The general procedure is pretty much the same for all two-stage clutches however, so you should be able to get some guidance by searching for “clutch adjustment” on this and other Chinese tractor websites. Also, I believe Chip Uren of Artrac Company in Arkansas sells or used to sell Kamas and can give you some advice or get you a manual if you call him.
You might well find the information you need in this thread http://chinesetractor.proboard…..thread=470 by a guy who owns a 554 Kama.
Best of luck with it!
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Rich, thanks for ans. but again maybe I goofed. I am not using the PTO, I am running the bucket and BH through the rear mounted pump thats intigral w/the gears. My understanding was that by depressing the clutch part way the geartrain would disingage and the hydraulics could then be operated without 'riding the clutch'. Of course thhis is no problem when using the BH as the clutch is engaged. The internal gearbox pump is bypassed and the bucked and BH run in series w/the mounted pump. This was the only way I could configure it with what I got. If I ran the bucket through the main gearbx pump, would it make a difference? ChuckG
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I have a 2007 TS 354c Tractor with rear mount pump above pto. I have it pumbed
different than any body I know of. I have two, three port select valves, mounted
on the PTO protection cover, that's below rear pump. The suction line from left
side of 3 pt tank to left suction selection valve port #1. The second suction line
that comes from the backhoe goes to the #2 port of suction selection valve, with
disconnect. Now the #3 port suction selection valve goes to suction port of pump.
The pressure side of pump goes to #3 port of pressure select valve. The #1 port
of pressure select valve goes directly to the FEL valves , then back to the right 3pt
pressure in port. The #2 port of pressure select valve goes to a pressure relief,
then a disconnect, then on to backhoe control valves. Backhoe is “7600 LITW” with
its own filter and tank. When both select valves knobs are down, the FEL or 3pt.
works. You MUST have clutch depressed completely before changing knobs!
This will stop the pump. Then knobs up backhoe works with clutch released.
I have been using this set up for three years.
I think adding this post to Rich's should give some insight of how 354c works.
IDAHOAN DON
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OK guys, someone tell me how to add a pic' to my posts and I think it will literally speak better than I. The pump shown is what I have but it is plumbed through an external tank that came with the bucket and when using the BH I had to run the lines in series through the pump. The only thing the clutch does is disengage everything, thats what I meant by riding the clutch as I have to let up on it in order for the pump to run. By putting the tractor in neutral I can then manipulate the bucket by releasing the clutch. This tractor has been a nightmare since I got it. It had been 'modified', 'nuff said'. The loader is a TZ C04. Thanks, I'm learning, even at my age.
Chuck G
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Here is a pic from CBP'site showing the back of a TSC354 with I belivie the pump he is talking about. Not sure where it is plumbed to from the pic
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