LW-6 Backhoe rebuild

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    • #31027
      Tontosgold
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        Pulled apart a badly leaking backhoe swing ram this morning. Check out the piston….

        Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
        Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

        QLD, Australia

      • #37787
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          Actually, the piston looks fine but the cup seals are trashed, and I suspect the cylinder bore is badly scored. Looks like a couple of pieces of welding slag that never made it to the return filter.

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        • #37788
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            “and I suspect the cylinder bore is badly scored. Looks like a couple of pieces of welding slag that never made it to the return filter.”

             

            Ugggh, like nails on a chalkboard. That hurts looking at it.

          • #37789
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              Yes it's a write off. Cylinder wall is a mess. I've just about finished some severe mods to my LW-6 because there were a number of things I wasn't happy with. Some of the other cylinders have cracked or perished seals so I might as well go through and rekit them all.

              Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
              Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

              QLD, Australia

            • #37790
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                The pic above doesn't show it so well but if you look hard you can see a crack running through the green seal. Wondering how many more are like that. It is a 2006 model and had water mixed in the oil when I got it (very cheap). One thing the chinese don't do well are rubber products. Here's how the backhoe hangs after the mods…

                Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
                Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

                QLD, Australia

              • #37793
                Bob Rooks
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                  I have to ask how you did that. Pretty nice. Is that ridgid mounted, or is it still on the three-point hitch?

                  I found that the seals in my LW-6 didn't like synthetic hydraulic oil, it dissolved them. 

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                • #37798
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                    I'm not using synthetic but good to know. The BH is 3pt mounted but I shortened the link arms by 200mm so I could cut off the seat and operate the hoe from the dozer. I also welded in a section to join them which stops it from swaying around.

                    Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
                    Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

                    QLD, Australia

                  • #37799
                    Tontosgold
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                      I wasn't happy with the BH for a number of reasons. By far the biggest issue was having all that weight hanging way out off the back end. It upset the balance of the dozer and made it so much longer. Had a lot of difficulty working in tight spaces. The seat wouldn't allow the BH to raise high enough either and it was always bottoming out on the creek crossings. Going downhill would cause the seat to fall forward and bash me in the head. Ouch!

                      For anyone thinking of replicting these mods, be aware that operating from the dozer seat has a serious safety issue. I have raised the back bar so it can't crush my legs if I accidentally push the outriggers down too far and now it is the perfect height to rest my forearms while operating the controls.

                      The console is hinged with a strong spring attached to the opposite side so when in the fully raised position it  is forced to fold forward as it makes contact with the back bar. Now there is nothing behind the seat that can shift around and impact the operator during travel.

                      Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
                      Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

                      QLD, Australia

                    • #37800
                      Tontosgold
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                        Shortening the link arms helped reduce the length somewhat but the real issue with the LW-6 is that the inward stroke of the dipper arm is limited by design to almost a 90 degree angle to the boom. I fixed that by slotting and re-enforcing the underside of the boom so it can accomodate full closure.

                        I then had to cut and reposition the dipper pin otherwise the actuating cylinder would have been prevented from completing it's stroke due to the shaft contacting against the elbow pivot. Likewise the length of the shaft has to be extended by 100mm.

                        Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
                        Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

                        QLD, Australia

                      • #37801
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                          The final addition was a drop pin to hold the boom up when the control levers get snagged by the jungle during travel. I can't test out the hoe until I rekit the cylinders so that will be a few weeks away, however I recently spent an hour doing some blade work as I needed to shift some trees to make a turn-around area for the low loader.

                          Pleased to report I didn't even notice the BH was on there. No weight/length/movement/grounding issues anymore. It seems to counterbalance the blade very well now and cancels out the bounce of the machine which results in a much smoother cut. 

                          Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
                          Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

                          QLD, Australia

                        • #37802
                          Bob Rooks
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                            Very nice work!

                            This is with the LiTW back hoe and the FEL attachment:

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                          • #37803
                            Tontosgold
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                              Digging yourself a hole there Bob! So how long does it take to swap the blade for the loader? I suppose the hoses are all coupling connect?

                              Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
                              Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

                              QLD, Australia

                            • #37805
                              Bob Rooks
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                                There are separate hose sets already routed through the chassis by the factory. It was just a matter of capping off the blade tilt circuit and swapping four other hoses. Changeover used to take about 45 minutes with everything set up and ready to go, but I haven't done it since I completely revamped the dozer hydraulics. Next time I make the swap I'll replace a lot of hosing with steel tubes and valves.

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                              • #45921
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                                  Bob,  I recall a post of yours somewhere which describes how you gained smoother movement on your backhoe by using washers to slow down flow to the cylinder. I couldn’t find it. Could you please elaborate on what you did? I need to slow down my swing and boom cylinders. What size orifice hole did you end up with? Cheers.

                                  Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
                                  Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

                                  QLD, Australia

                                • #45927
                                  Bob Rooks
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                                    On my LW-6 all the hoses were 1/2″ ID. That really made it fast and powerful. Too fast indeed. I started with a 1/8″ orifice and worked up to 1/4″ in 1/32″ increments to get the desired results for me. You may want a little slower or faster depending on your needs. Installing orifices does not affect the power. I found it curious that my LiTW BH7600 backhoe had all 1/4″ hoses. When I installed a hydraulic thumb on my excavator I used all 1/4″ hoses and it works great.

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                                  • #45928
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                                      Yes I guess it will be trial and error to determine the orifice size. Also my backhoe hydraulics are plumbed to the main pump on the dozer so it’s performance will be different to the standard PTO pump that most people are using. My intentions are to insert a thin steel washer into the conection between hose and cylinder to slow the flow. If it leaks I will have to fit a teflon washer between the flat face and steel washer. How did you do yours?

                                      Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
                                      Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

                                      QLD, Australia

                                    • #45929
                                      Bob Rooks
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                                        Oops. Sorry I forgot to mention. I used 1/16″ copper washers that I made, but I think you could also use aluminum. Either will crush to make a seal.

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                                      • #45930
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                                          Thanks for that Bob. I’ll make them out of copper.

                                          Dozer YCT306S shuttle shift - root rake, tree-pusher, backhoe
                                          Excavator Hyundai 17 ton

                                          QLD, Australia

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