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    • #46429
      CalMiller
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        I have a Jinma 454 tractor and when ever I get to medium to high RPMs I get big puffs of smoke out the exhaust. It seems that I can operate the tractor at lower RPMs for long periods of time with no issues.

        Can anyone provide some insight as to what causes this or what problem I have.

        Thanks for your assistance

      • #46430
        Bob Rooks
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          Are the puffs random? What color are they? Does engine performance change?

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        • #46431
          DavidPrivett
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            take a quick look at your oil capacity level to make sure it does not have to much oil ( or other fluids that might be leaking into oil) in in crankcase and overfilling.

          • #46433
            CalMiller
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              the smoke is light colored gray. It seems that when this happens I loose power then it returns after 10 seconds when I turn the rpms down.

            • #46435
              Piper184
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                Sounds like you are getting water/anti-freeze into the combustion chamber.

                Check the coolant level first to see if it is low. Not proof of anything but a clue. If the crankcase oil is fine bu the coolant is low, (and there are no obvious leaks) it could indicate burning of coolant. That would fit with the color of the smoke.

                Do the puffs appear at what one could guess was every fourth puff of exhaust? If so, probably only getting into one cylinder.

                A infrared (heat gun) thermometer would be useful here. Warm up the engine as normal. Then increase RPM until you see the white smoke. Let it run a few minutes while monitoring each cylinder’s exhaust manifold with the IR thermometer. The one(s) that are burning coolant will cool down compared to the others. If they all cool down then you know all cylinders are affected.

                If this is the case, hopefully it is just a head gasket and not a cracked head or block.

                Good luck and let us know what you find.

                 

              • #46437
                Bob Rooks
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                  You have a bad injector. The grey puffs are unburned fuel (white puffs would indicate coolant) and it’s caused by a dribbling injector that’s over-fueling one cylinder, hence the loss of power. The pintle spring in the injector is weak and “floats” at higher engine speeds, or there could just be debris in the injector not allowing the pintle to seat properly. I suggest taking the injectors to a diesel shop to have them pop tested, or just replace them. And always make sure your fuel is clean and free from moisture.

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                • #46444
                  CalMiller
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                    1. The coolant level is not unusually low. I will keep an eye on it.

                    2. I am out of town now but I will check engine oil level when I get back home. This could be too high but I would not expect light colored smoke if this were the case. Is this a correct assumption.

                    3. I will check the injectors next. I suppose they are relatively easy to get to . I have never removed one and not real familiar with diesel engines. If you have any pointers feel free to share them.

                    I sure appreciate all the ideas that are provided.

                  • #46445
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                      The injector R&R process is very straightforward. They are located on top of the cylinder head and held in by two bolts. You MUST keep everything meticulously clean while doing this.

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                    • #46446
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                        Not sure what a 454 engine looks like exactly, but here are the injectors on a 284. As Bob said, if this area has any dirt or grease whatsoever, get some spray carburetor cleaner , gunk engine cleaner or similar and clean it spotless before working on it.

                         

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                      • #46467
                        CalMiller
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                          back to working on these puffs of smoke. Thanks for your information in helping me to determine the problem.

                          A little clarification.

                          The smoke is medium and  blends in with storm clouds. The radiator is not low. I do notice that I am always adding hydraulic oil. I know I have a leak in the external connections near the transfer case. Could there also be a leak of hydraulic oil into the combustion chamber? not sure how these are connected.  After testing a little more I’m not loosing all power so much as I was concerned and cut the RPM. If I leave the engine running at medium rpm :wacko: the smoke lasts about 10 seconds and stops and will repeat every 1-2 minutes.  Do any of you have any more ideas with this new information or shall I pursue the path of having the injectors pop tested and cleaned. You information is valuable.

                          Thanks, Cal Miller

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                          DavidPrivett
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                            When I bought my foton the was a parts package that came with it and there was a extra injector in the kit and other small parts. I guess that you did not get such a kit. If not, I read on this site awhile ago(maybe the old forum) that these injectors are not pricey maybe pick some up and change them out. It might be cheaper than having them gone threw by a diesel shop.

                          • #46469
                            Bob Rooks
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                              The smoke is medium

                              What does “medium” mean?

                              and blends in with storm clouds.

                              Cumulus or cumulo-nimbus? Storm clouds have different colors and densities.

                              I do notice that I am always adding hydraulic oil. I know I have a leak in the external connections near the transfer case. Could there also be a leak of hydraulic oil into the combustion chamber?

                              Not a chance. However, hydraulic oil can cross-contaminate with engine oil through the hydraulic pump shaft seal. You will know this by an increase in engine oil level.

                              not sure how these are connected.

                              They aren’t connected at all.

                              If I leave the engine running at medium rpm :wacko: the smoke lasts about 10 seconds and stops and will repeat every 1-2 minutes.

                              What is the tractor doing when it produces these symptoms? Are you tilling or brush hogging?

                               Do any of you have any more ideas with this new information or shall I pursue the path of having the injectors pop tested and cleaned.

                              There is also the possibility of the rack sticking and not allowing the governor to compensate, and then freeing up and the governor over compensates which would result in temporary over-fueling, and causing black smoke. As David has said, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to change out the injectors to see if it isolates the issue. It’s far cheaper than a fuel injection pump/governor assembly.

                              How many hours are on the tractor?

                              Do you treat your fuel with a biocide, sulfur additive, or cetane booster?

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                            • #46471
                              CalMiller
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                                Thanks Rob for your comments. The smoke color is medium gray definitely not black or dark grey.

                                the smoke happens intermittently sometimes when box leveling and sometimes when no load is applied but always as medium to higher RPMs.

                                My tractor is a 2007 Jinma 454 with 500 hours.

                                I do not treat the fuel. I have no idea if what I buy is treated. I usually by diesel at Chevron.

                                I will look into getting new ejectors or having these reworked which ever is less expensive.

                                Thanks again for your ideas.

                              • #46472
                                Bob Rooks
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                                  FWIW, and future reference. The Ringlemann chart is used to determine the opacity and color of smoke. This is a tool used in diesel engine diagnosis, and also by the EPA and law enforcement agencies for issuing citations against truckers and industries.

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringelmann_scale

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                                • #46473
                                  DavidPrivett
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                                    I just read that article, man would that be a lot left to subjectivity on the enforcing end. Hope they never follow me when I hammer down in the 1996 dodge cummins

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                                    Bob Rooks
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                                      I just read that article, man would that be a lot left to subjectivity on the enforcing end. Hope they never follow me when I hammer down in the 1996 dodge cummins

                                      If you roll coal they will bust you. :yes:

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                                    • #46475
                                      DavidPrivett
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                                        I guess so, but people who tail gate me then get a wall of smoke usually back off. As far as the engine goes it still has all the factory settings on the pump. It is just old tech. which lets it smoke when throttled up. But you know how they work. Do you remember what the percentage over peak fuel efficacy those engine would inject under hard throttle up? I heard that number in high school all I remember it was over 100 percent.

                                      • #46476
                                        Bob Rooks
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                                          Do you remember what the percentage over peak fuel efficacy those engine would inject under hard throttle up? I heard that number in high school all I remember it was over 100 percent.

                                          No, I don’t.

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