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  • in reply to: Farm Pro 2425 smoking after oil change #49279
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      Some black puffs of smoke on acceleration is quite normal for a diesel engine. It is the excess fuel not getting completely burned until the engine RPM comes up enough to suck in the appropriate amount of air. I wouldn’t worry about that unless it is smoking all the time, in which case it will be a fuel system issue (usually).

      You have the same engine as I have in my 2006 284 tractor and your oil level is just fine. More concerning though is the oil coming out of the dipstick tube. That should not ever happen. The breather can on the right side of the engine just has a metal mesh filer in it (if I remember correctly). The breather air contains a fair amount of oil mist which collects on the filter, then drains back into the crankcase when the tractor is shut down.

      Since you have oil coming out both places this seems to indicate you have a piston ring blow by problem. Excessive blow by will pressurize the crankcase and force excessive air out of the breather and that will carry extra oil mist with it. Really excessive blow by could maybe force oil out of the dipstick tube.

      I think my next step would be to do a compression test and see if you can figure out if just one cylinder is leaking past the rings or if they all do.

      Can you tell by looking at the engine if it looks like it has been taken apart?

      How many hours on the meter?

      in reply to: Farm Pro 2425 smoking after oil change #49273
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        Do you have a 2 cylinder or 3 cylinder engine?

        What was the oil level on the dipstick after you put in the new oil?

        Did you get an owners manual with the tractor? If not, post what engine make and model is in the tractor and we can go from there to find out oil capacity.

        I have a Jinma 284 (2006) with a Y385T engine and it takes right at 6 quarts so your 1-1/2 gal. is probably about right. However if you have the 2 cylinder engine it my only require about 4 quarts.

        What color is the smoke?

        Did you let it run long enough to see what happens when it warms up?

        Have you checked the coolant level in the radiator to see if it is low or has oil in it?

        Generally oil in the cylinders causes blueish smoke, too much fuel causes black smoke and coolant/water will cause a whitish color to the smoke. Keep in mind that cold engines usually smoke white/grey until they warm up.

        in reply to: ZL20 FEL Manual #49270
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          I have had problems getting the proper parts too. The dealer I bought the crate tractor from was really good with parts for the first couple of years I had the tractor. Then there were personnel changes in the parts and service departments and they both went downhill terribly. I don’t even bother with them any more as they usually  get the part wrong or forget to ship the order or just plain don’t know what they are talking about. It is a shame too as I really like that dealership and they had very competitive prices.

          Usually I go to Circle G because they have a great online parts catalog. They seem to be on the ball and ship quickly even though they are on the high side with prices. You get what you pay for.

          Hydraulic hoses and fittings are the hardest to deal with. Jinma used a wide variety of fittings and styles of connection over the years. Seems different on every other piece of equipment. Some of it is kind of standard and most of it not. Metric and European variations seem most prevalent. I currently have a miss-mash of all kinds of connections and adapters on my machines.

          As I understand it, Jinma went through several variations (upgrades?) in the loader cylinders over the years and the seals are not compatible between them and they had a lot of different connection types as well. I have been lucky and not had any problems other than hoses and the BOSS seals are mostly crap and don’t last long.

          in reply to: ZL20 FEL Manual #49267
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            OK, got it scanned and it didn’t turn out too big so it should attach here.

            If not, it is on my web site and you can get to it here:

            http://harnerfarm.net/Jinma/Files/JinmaZL20FELManual.pdf

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            in reply to: ZL20 FEL Manual #49265
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              I have one I could scan into a PDF document if that works for you. I can post it on my website for you to download.

              in reply to: JInma 284 Rear axle housing removal #49261
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                When the outer bearing went it probably changed the angle of the axle just enough to put stress on the inner bearing and seals. Replacing those items is a good idea.l If you wind up taking the other side apart, you can use that axle to judge how much damage was done to the left one. Hopefully it will still be usable.

                From what I can see in the pictures the inside of the rear end looks really good. Hopefully there is not any debris in the bottom and there was no metal floating around to damage the inner parts. You probably dodged a bullet there.

                Good work!

                in reply to: Jinma 354 Throw out bearing #49255
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                  While I have never seen a throw out bearing that was attached to the clutch disk, I suppose it is possible. If the bearing were supposed to be attached to the clutch, it would mean the bearing had to rotate all the time, and it wouldn’t last long.

                  If the tractor was stored in a wet location with the clutch pedal pushed in, it might rust together, but that would take extreme circumstances.

                  More likely is the bearing failed and seized up, then when it was pushed against the clutch, it welded itself to the clutch.

                  Please post a picture if possible. Hopefully someone with a 354 will add some information about how it is made.

                  in reply to: JInma 284 Rear axle housing removal #49252
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                    Take a look at the parts list on the Circle G web site. The picture for the left housing shows a groove where the snap ring sits. This means the bearing comes off with the housing but it can’t go over the axle shaft because there is a ridge on the shaft and a washer that rides on the bearing.

                    Also if you look at the picture of the axle shaft and zoom in you can see the threads for the nut cut into the splines of the shaft itself.

                    The parts diagram on the Circle G website is actually more readable than the printed book. Plus they have actual photos of most of the parts. Very helpful!

                     

                    in reply to: JInma 284 Rear axle housing removal #49250
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                      Please take pictures as you work through this and post them for others to see.

                      I too learned something today. My tractor does indeed have grease zerks for the outer bearings. They were covered with a large round rubber cap that had been painted over. The caps looked like just part of the casting. Dang, I have had this tractor for 13 years with almost 800 hours and have never greased that bearing.

                      I hope there is a hole in the bearing outer race that gets aligned with the zerk. Something to look out for when you re-assemble it.

                      Also if your inner bearing really did grenade, you will want to be diligent about removing all the debris from the rear end and inspecting all of the teeth of every gear in there to make sure there was no damage.

                      in reply to: JInma 284 Rear axle housing removal #49248
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                        The parts book only shows the exploded view of the right hand side but I believe the axle is supposed to come out with the housing. The inner bearing is held onto the the axle with a snap ring that is inboard of the bearing. From the drawing it appears to be an internal snap ring that goes into a groove in the housing. If this is correct, the bearing is not a press fit in the housing.

                        There are two different drive gearboxes listed in my parts book. Version III and Version III (Double speed). I believe this is based on if you have a two speed PTO shaft. I’ll reference that model because that is the one I have. I think the parts for the axle are probably the same for each but the callout numbers are different.

                        There is a spanner nut (item 129 in my drawing, quantity 2) that appears to thread onto axle. This nut is inboard of the large 69 tooth bull gear that is splined to the axle.

                        There is a locking claw (number 132 in my book) that is attached to the left axle and I think it is held to the axle by circlip number 131.

                        I think you are going to have to take off the seat and the hydraulic tank/3 point cylinder to get to the inside of the rear end. Then take off the circlip and move the jaw out of the way so you can unscrew the spanner nut. This will allow the axle to come off with the housing so you can remove the inner snap ring to release the bearing from the housing.

                        I was under the impression that the axle was wet all the way out to the outer double seal but looking closer it appears that the inner bearing is wet while the outer one is lubed with a grease zerk. Now I need to go check my tractor (2006) and see if I have been neglecting a lube point. It would be interesting to know if you could leave out the inner seal and make the axle housing wet all the way out so that the outer bearing is lubed with 80W-90.

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