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  • in reply to: Quick Release hydraulic fittings #47298
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      I doubt you will find metric quick connects, at least in the sizes/styles (there are many different ones) needed. Most likely you will have to go with an adapter of some sort. At one point I found an adapter for the pressure side, but not one for the suction side. I had considered having a custom flange fitting made for where it attaches to the pump, but then couldn’t figure out how to convert back to the filter housing on the tank.

      The filter housings are steel, maybe cast iron. Perhaps if I bought a second one for experimentation, I could braze (or weld) an SAE end on it. Could probably make something out of steel for the pump end since it is low pressure, maybe just a gasket for a seal instead of the o-ring used from the factory…..

      Hmmm, need some shop time! Been several years since I looked at any of that stuff.

      Clearwater Hydraulics in ID is a good place to start. Discount Hydraulics is another good source for odd-ball stuff.

      in reply to: Quick Release hydraulic fittings #47296
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        Yes, the hardest part about mounting and un-mounting the backhoe is dealing with the hydraulic pump. Especially when you keep the transmission fluid level above the bottom of the pump cover plate.

        I have tried for years to figure out a better solution. Even went so far as to buy a PTO driven pump only to find out it was about a half inch too long to get the backhoe in place.

        I think it would make most sense to put a quick connect on the suction line at the tank end. Then on the pressure hose, maybe have a short hose from the pump and a quick connect near the tank area on the other side. (would probably require two new hoses) That way you could mount the pump and hoses before you back up to the backhoe.

        If I remember right, the pump only turns when the PTO is engaged but putting the 540/1000 lever in neutral does not stop the pump from turning. Otherwise I would probably leave the pump on the tractor all the time. A way to stop the pump but use the PTO shaft would be the best solution.

        Let us know if you figure anything out.

        in reply to: Jinma 254 General Questions #47286
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          Remember the fit and finish even when new is probably no where near what you would expect. Yet they run and survive. Kind of a testament to modern oils.

          How many hours on that engine? It will be interesting to compare the appearance of new bearings with the old. Also once you get new bearings you can check the clearance and get a better idea of how much wear there is. Do you have specs for new and service clearances?

          It doesn’t look all that bad in there and the tractor looks to be in good shape too.

          in reply to: Jinma 254 General Questions #47281
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            Here is a picture of the tank heater I installed. A lot simpler and more effective than a lower radiator hose one.

            Water comes out of the bottom of the block at the drain valve, goes through the heater and back into the top of the engine just below the thermostat. Circulation is all inside the block and not wasted in the radiator. This one is 1000 watts and heats a -20°F engine to melting snow in about 30 minutes.

            I made some changes after this was taken because the drain valve failed. Turned out the block was standard SAE pipe thread so the fix was easy.

             

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            in reply to: Jinma 254 General Questions #47266
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              Yeah, those are older pictures from way back when I put it together out of the crate. At 11 years and 600 hours it doesn’t look that nice any more.

              Mine is a little loud, but it is a diesel from China! I am still on the original battery although it is getting week this fall and the new one is in the shop. I have never had any battery go 11 years.

              Injector pumps have a couple of known issues. The seal between the pump crankcase and the lift pump likes to leak diesel into the crankcase and that dilutes the oil that is shared with the governor. They can also leak fuel from the injector pump pistons. Mine has done both. I just put in new oil when I change the engine oil which is usually somewhere between 50 and 100 hours.

              Here is the throttle parts for the 284. Apparently there were two different variations during the production run but the decompression is about the same for each. Your tractor may be exactly the same or something different entirely.

               

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              in reply to: Jinma 254 General Questions #47262
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                I have the Y385 engine.

                Here is a picture of the decompression lever and one of where it goes towards the engine. Your may have been removed at some point and all you need is the parts. Speaking of parts, did you find a parts manual?

                I like the decompression feature for two reasons. If it has been more than a week since the tractor was used, I like to hold the fuel cutoff and the decompression at the same time and spin the engine until I get oil pressure built up and then for another 5 to 10 seconds. This acts as a pre-oil to minimize wear at startup.  Second, for really cold starts or weak battery conditions. If you use the decompression for the first couple of revolutions when you hit the starter it lets the crankshaft and flywheel get up to speed easier. Then when you drop the lever that inertia helps the starter motor against the compression stroke.

                I can take better pictures of it and scan the parts page if you would like.

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                in reply to: Jinma 254 General Questions #47259
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                  I am a little surprised you don’t have a decompression lever. Look on the back of the rocker cover to see if you have the mechanism circled in yellow.

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                  in reply to: Jinma 254 General Questions #47257
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                    My 2007 (built in 2006) has the creeper (or crawler) hi/lo that yours does not. That may be a difference between the models or it may have been an option that was not built into your tractor. Not all farm tractors have transfer or hi/lo speed selectors. Some do, some don’t. My 284 has 12 forward and 4 reverse speeds using the two transfer cases in various combinations. However you have the “shuttle shift” and I don’t. For doing loader work it is a great benefit because you can flip back and forth without shifting the transmission. I wish my 284 had that feature when moving snow.

                    As for shifting gears. Most tractors with manual transmissions don’t have a synchronous gear set, so you don’t up-shift on the move. You come to a compete stop before shifting to avoid grinding the gears.

                    Decompression levers are nice to have but not a complete necessity. Do you have the two or three cylinder engine?

                    in reply to: JW03 Backhoe no circulation of hydraulic fluid #47241
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                      Just a few ideas of where to start.

                      How is the filter in the tank?

                      If you take the suction hose off at the pump will oil flow out of the hose?

                      If you take the pressure hose off at the pump, will oil flow out on it’s own? How about with the engine running and the PTO engaged?

                      Are you sure the tang on the pump is connecting with the slot in the tractor?

                      Have you checked the shaft in the tractor to make sure it is turning with the PTO engaged and the engine running?

                      Also, with the PTO engaged and the engine turned off, you should not be able to turn the end of the shaft that engages the tang on the pump. If you can, something in the tractor is broke.

                      in reply to: Disc brakes on Jinma 284 #47196
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                        Nope, already checked that. No fluid came out.

                        The feel on the pedal is more like the pressure plates are not rotating smoothly. I suspect rust or other corrosion on the plates or balls. Another possibility is a broken pressure plate spring.

                        I won’t know until I get it apart.

                         

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